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submitted by The old platitude says if you set out on a path of revenge, best dig two graves.
Lemme tell you, if you set out to be a hero, dig a fucking graveyard.
I’d long since given up on being a meaningful part of this world.
A lucrative career was traded in for the joys of freedom and isolation. Friendships and potential connections abandoned by the wayside to avoid the continual pain and disappointment. The realization that there really isn’t much purpose, and that’s okay.
I’d gone from a three-piece suit and a view of downtown to making money in between the lines. Selling edibles. Homemade beef jerky. Endless weeks of all night poker sessions. Small scams. Petty theft. Whatever hustle was lucrative then and there.
It was a Friday night, and I was doing doing gig food delivery on one of the apps. It only paid if you really understood the system. I could make it work just enough to make it worth it, and the dozen holes in their business model provided an endless opportunity to scam food. Yes, I am…was…that guy.
I know, fuck me.
I certainly didn’t care about others, not really. I wasn’t hatefully stewing a la’
Taxi Driver, just completely disconnected. Indifferent.
But I suppose there was some old part of me, some light that still lingered. And that part probably damned so many.
I was cruising along the medical center by the extremely prominent university I graduated from, once upon a time. The campus was encircled by a massive gravel public track, situated near one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the city. A place for the
intelligentsia and the trophy wives of oil millionaires to endlessly burn lactic acid in the rugged pursuit of…something. Greed. Purpose. Who knows?
It was about 1 a.m. I was just cruising past where the trail kinked north when I saw it.
When we watch films, little phases us. An explosion of gory violence. A demonic jump scare. James Woods’ face. These horrifying images are pretty normative, so our central nervous system stays pretty well in flow.
But in real life, when you see something profoundly horrific, the CPU starts crashing as it tries to reconcile the black swan event with how reality is supposed to go.
I remember, somewhere subconsciously, wondering if that hesitation was going to cost this poor college girl her life.
Only part of her was visible to me, but she had backed up against one of the magnificent oaks that lined the paths.
A man twice her size, adorned in a black hoodie, black jeans, and white gloves was barreling toward her with a knife in his hand.
She didn’t move. I guess I thought at the time she was paralyzed with fear. It happens, right?
My shitty Toyota jumped the curb, and I was out the door without even putting it in park, sprinting with everything I had.
Fifteen years of baseball and four years of rugby had taught me how to explode and cover a short distance quickly.
But that was a far away time in a long-gone place. I was run down and ragged these days.
Apparently I still had a step in me.
The incidental benefit of adrenaline is it doesn’t leave lot of room for second-guessing. Instinct snaps up the controls. We’d probably all be better if that were the case most of the time.
Not much thought went into spearing him right in the side and slamming him onto the gravel path.
I could hear what I thought was sobbing behind me. It felt like blood was pulsating in my ears, denying me my hearing. The whole world sounded like if Charlie Brown’s parents had done a few whippits. His screams were inaudible “wah-wah’s.”
The attacker certainly had size on me. But I’d spent a good chunk of my life getting into fistfights. Even won a few, too.
Heaven hates an Irish temper.
The element of surprise and my ruthlessness really saved the day.
He tried to use his superior size to flip me over as my knees dug into his chest. I drove down, using my stocky frame and low center of gravity to hold tight, and slammed a fist into his exposed neck.
I ignored his gasps and flailing. A punch to the nose. Now the eyes.
Spasming like a salted slug, he finally managed to fling me off him.
He was off like a rocket, tearing into the night. Tough piece of shit, I remember thinking. My gut said chase him down. The hunter following the bloodened tracks of a deer leaking from a body shot.
But when I looked back in saw her, I knew I couldn’t.
She looked…off. There was fear, so much fear, but it felt like a mask. Sobs that felt like a recording. Professions of thanks that seemed overly enthused. A pantomime.
She flung her arms around me. I called the police. They came and took her statement. Sally Rigby was her name. A senior, doubling majoring in computer science and Chinese language.
Sally Rigby was the future, and I, a shell of a person, a glorified worm, an unplugged toaster, had saved her.
We told the police everything we knew.
He was black, and given Sally’s adorably white disposition, meant the police would actually pursue this with vigor. They found his knife in a bush a few feet from where we tussled. I didn’t get a great look, but it appeared weirdly ornate. Like a dagger in a cornball movie trying to convince the audience the weapon is ancient and ambiguously ethnic.
Sally never left my side. Beaming up at me. Holding my arm. Thanking me in that weird Stepford Wives meets Tom Cruise’s empty eyes sort of way for saving her from inevitable rape and death.
The police took our information, and Sally asked for my number before they took her to get checked out at the hospital. I figured that was the end of it, unless they caught the creep, and I had to testify.
Apparently, four girls had gone missing on campus in the last two months. The always loathsome police slapped me hard on the back, saying I might’ve just beaten down a serial killer. They dug under my nails for DNA.
I wish that had been the end of it. God. Be grateful for all the things you don't know.
The next day Sally began texting me. She oscillated between discussing her trauma and endlessly thanking me. I felt obliged to muster real responses. She had suffered something truly horrible. I might not have a kernel of faith in humanity, but I wasn’t a monster.
I wasn’t.
By the second day, the texts her turned flirtatious. Compliments I would never expect. Questions about my life, my past, my hobbies, my beliefs.
I called her. I was worried one of two things was happening; either she felt she owed me something, to make me feel good, or she was becoming attached to me as a sort of trauma response.
Neither was a good path, so I wanted to nip it in the bud as gently as possible.
This had nothing to do with delusional narcissism on my part. I took this line of thinking, dear reader, in large part because, well, in no possible other scenario would Sally be interested in me.
And who could possibly blame her? She was twenty-three, more than ten years my junior. Blonde, fit, brilliant, witty, gorgeous, vivacious. I was a broke down car that somebody threw a shitty paint job on. Nihilism, whisky, and a degenerate lifestyle do not a pretty visage make. And surly to boot.
The plan derailed quickly. Sally insisted we go out, that night. A vibrant restaurant and bar I sometimes picked up orders at. A sea of humans bolstering plastic smiles with the false hope only ethanol can provide.
Every time I tried to break through to explain, she talked over me with greater exuberance.
Finally, I snapped.
“Sally. I’m like, forty pounds overweight, rundown, not particularly pleasant, way too old for you. You don’t owe me anything. You do the right thing because it’s the right thing. I don’t want someone to go out with me out of obligation.”
There was a long pause. It felt angry, pregnant with rage.
“I genuinely like you, Pappy.”
I’ll spare you the masturbatory recounting, but she heaped an avalanche of compliments, putting up a fierce argument oozing with sweetness.
I gave in and met her two hours later.
I never imagined the date from Hell being taken in the literal sense.
We never even made it inside.
While we waited for a table, our conversation took one wild turn after another. So many common interest and hobbies. Similar perspectives, though hers a significantly softer version. An uncomfortable amount of similarities coming out of left field. That should have been a red flag, but the Venus flytrap doesn’t go hunting, now, does it?
Pappy the fly, they call me.
A few whisky sours while we waited and pretty soon, we were slammed up against a wall in the alley. While I was kissing her neck and running my hand slowly up her leg, she whispered in my ear. I expected a sensual moan, maybe a little dirty talk.
Nope. NOPE.
I jumped about four feet back.
What she said didn’t make much sense then, but it was her voice.
Imagine the screech of an angry goat mixed with the hoarse gasp of lifelong smoker battling emphysema. Now throw in the squeal of a slaughtered pig and a demonic baritone that would have bested Johnny Cash.
THAT is what I heard in my ear, and
THAT is why I jumped back.
“They’re here. And I want you to watch what you wrought, you empty thing.”
I stared at her as she transformed.
It wasn’t like the movies. Bones didn’t stretch and squeal. Skin didn’t inflate and shift. It didn’t have the feel of slow animation.
One minute a solid ten in a slinky black dress was there, and the next, Hell's special little abortion stood in her stead.
My first thought was, I just made out with a fucking gorilla.
And that I’d be the first person to say that in retrospect literally.
A seven-foot ape completely covered in crisscrossing black and white hair glared me down. But this wasn’t
George of the Jungle. This was an acid trip gone horribly awry.
Four eyes, each a different color. Red, sapphire blue, a deep purple, yellow, in a perfect line across the forehead. An impossibly large mouth with a single tooth descending nearly six inches out of the creature’s mouth clicked against it’s twin that shot up from its lower gums. A single horizontal slit for a nose, and with every fresh breath, black smoke came pouring from it. Where ambidextrous paws should be were massive, humanoid hands, almost comically large. The creature rested on the outer palm of each one. Protruding out were at least twenty five fingers, each ending with a bone jutting out, sharpened to an infinitely fine shank tip.
I just stood and stared. You can’t outrun the Tsunami. You can just sit back and enjoy the last moments in the sun.
They came in screaming, each clutching the same odd knife. A sea of men in black hoodies, black pants, and white gloves.
Every swing was batted away as the creature moved with impossible dexterity. It ripped a man’s head off and ate it with a single crunch. A swipe of one hand disemboweled another. Two hands smashed a chest, turned the man's body gelatinous. One by one, the small army was eviscerated in ever escalating displays of grotesque violence.
I was frozen. The…thing began what I suppose was a laugh midway through the maelstrom.
With that voice that felt like a kidney stone zig zagging through my body echoing, “YOU DID THIS YOU DID THIS YOU DID THIS” gleefully as it turned burly men into viscera with ease.
No knife came even close to striking what was Sally, and the ground was littered with them, along with every organ imaginable.
I picked a dagger up. Not to test my abilities against whatever the fuck this nightmare was but to just cut my throat.
I felt a hand, strong but human, stop me and pull me away, and we were running, the sounds of ghoulish laughter and human skin being ripped off not far behind us.
After what felt like miles, we hid in an alley.
The man took off his hoodie and I finally got a glimpse of him.
It was the attacker, the one I stopped.
His eyes looked badly damaged; his nose was still askew. I had done a number on him.
It dawned on me then that might have only been because he didn’t want to hurt me.
“What have I done?”
My whisper held more emotion than I’d expressed in the better part of a year.
“You couldn’t know.”
His accent was African, though in my ignorance, I could not place it.
“What…what the fuck is she?”
The man steeled his gaze.
“That is no ‘she.’ That is not even an ‘it.’ We have a word for them, but there’s no real translation to English. The closest thing is “Decayed Whore.”
“D…decayed whore?”
“Before white men, before Christ, there was a small village in what is today Uganda. What the villagers thought was simply a man, a traveler, passed through the village.
When he asked for water, he was given water. When he asked for food, he was given food.
When he asked for souls, the villagers chased him far off, into the night. All he did is laugh as he ran.
Then came the decay.
The rains never came. Crops withered away and died. Any trace of game to hunt disappeared entirely. Sickness never seen before stole the life from children. Every night, booming laughter could be heard echoing in the sky. The minds of the villagers began to twist and knot.
Finally, the man who was not a man passed back through when the remaining villagers were summoning their strength to try and migrate somewhere where life persisted, where hope still lay.
He said would never let them leave. But they had a choice.
Die horrible deaths or give him the souls he asked for.
Many villagers, women and children among them, died trying to kill him. This man that was not a man. This wandering demon of the ancient world. Those who refused him, he let live to rot away.
They and the others died heroes.
Eleven villagers did not.
They agreed. Gave up. Surrendered their souls.
He chained their bodies together, dragged them into the mountains. No one knows what he did with them. But by the time he finished his dark works, they had turned into monsters.
The demon added insult to injury, bastardizing the sacred, peaceful form of the gorilla into something only pure evil could imagine, let alone wrought.
Those amongst us that hunt the eleven are the descendants of those who found the villagers who lived before they died horrible, agonizing, and slow deaths.
When our ancestors went to dig graves for these pour souls, they found buried in each hole the same dagger. Put there by some spirit of the earth or heavens, we assume. A chance to rid the world of what should never have been.
It’s our duty to destroy these abominations. We have hunted them for thousands of years. We’ve learned subtle clues that help us track them.
I am called Adroa. You, I believe, are Pappy.”
Tears streamed down my eyes.
“Can’t we…can’t we find her when she turns back into Sally? Kill her then?”
Adroa sighed wearily.
“There is no Sally. The Decayed Whores can take on the form of anyone. It changed into that form just to mock me as I missed swipe and after swipe. It was just playing with its food. I thought I had surprised it, just this once, in time to kill it.
The real problem is, they like to take up roost. Unadulterated violence and stark terror have become boring to them. They like to establish a hunting ground, pick through a population, drive up panic. It’s a game to them. Subtlety that creates fear they can smell, laugh about, marinade in. Then they corner their prey and quench their bloodlust.
But it will eat up all the organs and lick up all the blood of tonight and tomorrow, it will move out of its form and walk among those students, playing its sick game. More will go missing. Ripped apart. Eaten.”
Adroa looked completely defeated, but a single glance in his eyes told me he’d never give up. He’d die upon his sword. Or, dagger, as it may be.
“Adroa. You said there were eleven Decayed Whores in the beginning that came down from the mountains.
How…how many have your people killed?” His head dropped in his hands, a dagger listlessly hanging at his side.
“None.” Today, I'll be explaining why I believe it was always originally intended for the Jedi to be seen as the good guys of the story, why they weren't arrogant elites who deserved to "fall", why they didn't suppress emotion, why they weren't dogmatic and stuck in their ways, why they weren't a cult, and why they weren't corrupt.
The Jedi, Emotions, and Attachment: I think the reason why people misunderstand the Order's stance on attachment is due to not understanding what attachment is supposed to mean.
“[Jedi] do not grow attachments, because attachment is a path to the dark side. You can love people, but you can’t want to possess them. They’re not yours. Accept that they have a fate. Even those you love most are going to die. You can’t do anything about that. Protect them with your lightsaber, but if they die they were going to die. there’s nothing you can do. All you can do is accept that fact.
“In mythology, if you go to Hades to get them back you’re not doing it for them, you’re doing it for yourself. You’re doing it because you don’t want to give them up. You’re afraid to be without them. The key to the dark side is fear. You must be clean of fear, and fear of loss is the greatest fear. If you’re set up for fear of loss, you will do anything to keep that loss from happening, and you’re going to end up in the dark side. That’s the basic premise of Star Wars and the Jedi, and how it works.
“That’s why they’re taken at a young age to be trained. They cannot get themselves killed trying to save their best buddy when it’s a hopeless exercise.”
-George Lucas
“The core issue, ultimately, is greed, possessiveness - the inability to let go. Not only to hold on to material things, which is greed, but to hold on to life, to the people you love - to not accept the reality of life’s passages and changes, which is to say things come, things go. Everything changes. Anakin becomes emotionally attached to things, his mother, his wife. That’s why he falls - because he does not have the ability to let go.
"No human can let go. It’s very hard. Ultimately, we do let go because it’s inevitable; you do die, and you do lose your loved ones. But while you’re alive, you can’t be obsessed with holding on. As Yoda says in this one, [The scene in which Anakin seeks Yoda’s counsel] You must learn to let go of everything you’re afraid to let go of.’ Because holding on is in the same category and the precursor to greed. And that’s what a Sith is. A Sith is somebody that is absolutely obsessed with gaining more and more power - but for what? Nothing, except that it becomes an obsession to get more.
“The Jedi are trained to let go. They’re trained from birth, they’re not supposed to form attachments. They can love people- in fact, they should love everybody. They should love their enemies; they should love the Sith. But they can’t form attachments. So, what all these movies are about is: greed. Greed is a source of pain and suffering for everybody. And the ultimate state of greed is the desire to cheat death.”
-George Lucas
The Jedi's philosophy is mainly derived off Buddhism:
"The Buddhist concept of non-attachment is a constructive way to approach relationships. Here, attachment refers to an attempt to control things that you can't control. When you try to grasp or control something outside of yourself, this causes suffering for yourself and the other person."
Lucas states the Jedi are Buddhist monks as well—he is actually a practicing Buddhist himself.
"The Jedi are good, but they are not fantastic. They were never designed to be a superhero or anything like that. They were designed to be a Buddhist monk, who happened to be a very good warrior. And they became the peacekeepers of the human world."
-The Star Wars Archives 1999-2005, 2020
He never frames their non-attachment rules negatively, or in interviews.
Anakin himself explains it in AOTC:
*Padmé Amidala: Are you allowed to love? I thought that was forbidden for a Jedi.
Anakin Skywalker: Attachment is forbidden. Possession is forbidden. Compassion, which I would define as unconditional love...is central to a Jedi's life. So you might say that we are encouraged to love. *
Lucas also says the Jedi were encouraged to love:
“The Jedi are trained to let go. They’re trained from birth,” he continues, “They’re not supposed to form attachments. They can love people- in fact, they should love everybody. They should love their enemies; they should love the Sith. But they can’t form attachments.”
Attachment refers to possession, the inability to let go of someone to the detriment of others.
“A Jedi is never lonely. They live on compassion. They live on helping people, and people love them. They can love people back. But when that person dies, they let go. Those that cannot let go become miserable. That’s the lonely place.”
--George Lucas, Star Wars Archives: 1999-2005
Depa Billaba, a member of the Jedi Council, says this:
“You must not grow too attached, too fond, too in love with life as it is now. The emotions are valuable and should not be suppressed… but you must learn to rule them, Padawan, lest they rule you.“
(Kanan: The Last Padawan)
The Jedi believe in emotional control and mindfulness, not suppression.
mindfulness 1. the quality or state of being conscious or aware of something. 2. a mental state achieved by focusing one's awareness on the present moment, while calmly acknowledging and accepting one's feelings, thoughts, and bodily sensations, used as a therapeutic technique.
"Emotional control is the ability to identify and regulate your emotions and respond in a socially tolerable and flexible way and also have a certain level of control over spontaneous reactions."
Now, you might ask about the "there is no emotion, there is peace," part of the Code, and I have a few clarifications to make: we do not actually ever see the entire Code, and what we do see is almost always used as a meditation mantra, not actual guidelines to live by. And there are variants of it, like the one we see the younglings and Depa Billaba in Kanan's comics chant:
*Emotion, yet peace.
Ignorance, yet knowledge.
Passion, yet serenity.*
Why would the Order use this if they wanted Jedi to suppress their emotions?
The younglings on Illum are able to overcome their challenges and fears by confronting and identifying them first.
When Mace Windu was a Padawan, he and his Master went to investigate claims of a man who was scamming ill people by claiming to be a Jedi:
“This man is perverting our sacred teachings to prey upon a vulnerable people. I can think of little my tongue could say better than my saber in this instance.”
“Dissolve your hostility, Padawan. Channel your frustrations into an appropriate emotion. Violence, as always, is a last resort.”
“Of course. Apologies, Master.”
“A fire burns inside of you, Padawan. That, in itself, is not inherently wrong. It is my job to help you temper it.” [Jedi of the Republic-Mace Windu]
“You listened to your feelings,” Ahsoka said. She smiled at a memory of a faraway place and a time that was lost forever. “That’s something they teach Jedi, too, you know.” [Ahsoka]
Obi-Wan says (to Anakin) in The Clone Wars, “It’s not that we’re not allowed to have these [romantic] feelings. It’s natural.”
A psychologist explains it the same way, too:
“Non-attachment refers to allowing things to be as they are.“
[So You Want to Be a Jedi? Learning the Ways of the Force through Acceptance and Commitment Therapy]
The Jedi are not afraid to show emotion within the movies and TCW, as we see Kit Fisto and Aayla Secura smiling openly in the presence of other Jedi, Yoda and Mace calling each other friends, Mace Windu showing concern for Obi Wan's safety during the Rako Hardeen arc, is worried, and is visibly happy to see him alive and safe, Mace smiling when Jar-Jar said they make a good team, Luminara excitedly exclaiming "Barriss!" when Barris is shown to be alive and well on Geonosis, and many other instances. These individuals are Jedi who led the Order, they were examples the rest of the Jedi looked up to.
They tell Anakin to be mindful of his emotions in TPM because he denies that he misses his mother when they ask him about it. They are stern with him, yes, but not mean. They never once ridicule him for feeling this way, they simply ask him what he's feeling, and when he denies it, they tell him that they're aware of what he's feeling.
He takes their inquiry as almost an attack on himself, and gets defensive when they ask him about his mother. He refuses to acknowledge his own feelings, and acknowledging emotions and being able to identify them is crucial to the Jedi, it's something they learn from infancy. Anakin wasn't able to make the distinction between possession and love, as Lucas states. This is why they didn't want to admit him into the Order.
George states: "If he’d have been taken in his first year and started to study to be a Jedi, he wouldn’t have this particular connection as strong as it is and he’d have been trained to love people but not to become attached to them.”
Jedi, Adoption, and Why they are Not a Cult:
The Jedi aren't ever shown to steal any child, they ask permission from the families—families who are typically unprepared and unequipped to raise a Force Sensitive child. If the family says no, they accept it. They also take in and raise orphans, like Mace Windu, Sar Labooda, and Depa Billaba.
They are taken in at such a young age because it's necessary, it's incredibly hard for force sensitives to let go of attachments when they've already formed them. George doesn't condemn this way of adoption.
They didn't forbid familial and cultural connection, as we see Luminara Unduli and Barriss Offee wearing traditional Mirialan robes, headdresses and tattoos, Master Tiplee and Tiplar being twin sisters and open about it, even wearing matching face tattoos, Stass Allie and Adi Gallia being cousins, Depa Billaba and Sar Labooda also being sisters, Aayla Secura wearing clothes that reflected her Twi'lek heritage, Shaak Ti and Ahsoka wearing robes and an Akkul tooth headdress that reflected her Togruta heritage. Eeth Koth had Zabrak tatoos, and Gungi constructed his lightsaber from wood originating from Kashykk.
The Jedi also consider each other family/friends.
“You were my brother, Anakin! I loved you!” [Obi-Wan Kenobi]
“We are brothers, Master Dibs.” [Jedi of the Republic-Mace Windu]
"Vos, brought to the Temple even younger than most, felt that he had hundreds of brothers and sisters, and it seemed that whenever he went into the dining hall he ran into at least half of them." [Dark Disciple]
Reva Sevander also refers to the other younglings as her friends/family, and was deeply scarred by their deaths, a whole 10 years later. Additionally, Masters and Padawans are shown to be willing to die for each other, they care for each other openly and nobody ever reprimands them for it (it's in fact encouraged to forge a deep bond with other Jedi, especially between Masters and Padawans).
The Jedi younglings also join clans when they become Initiates, to foster closeness and kinship (which they wouldn't do if this sort of thing were banned).
The Jedi had no uniforms, they were free to wear whatever kind of robes they wished.
"Yes.“ Thrawn gestured to Anakin’s clothing. "What about you and your uniform?”
"The Jedi don’t have uniforms,“ Anakin said, looking down at his own outfit. [Thrawn: Alliances]
Anakin wasn't the only one who wore dark robes, either:
• Evan Piell wore black robes
• Tholme wore black and dark gray
• Aayla Secura wears black and dark brown
• Rig Nema wore slate blue/gray
• Ima-Gun Di wears maroon
And the youngling's robes in Kanan's comic are styled after Anakin’s, dark colors and all (except they wore brown underneath the black). So no, the Jedi didn't forbid dark clothing or disapprove of Anakin's clothing choices because they were black.
The Jedi do not instill complete obedience in their members, as Obi Wan (who was pretty rule-following back in TPM) proclaims he would train Anakin without the Council's approval, and they're never actually shown to punish Anakin beyond simple reprimands when he disobeys orders in TCW.
They encourage other Jedi to make friends and allies outside of the Temple, which they wouldn't do if they actually wanted to limit the information their members had access to. Like Obi Wan having Dex as an informant, or the Jedi having contacts outside of the Temple.
They encourage individuality, which we see in the variety of their clothing and lightsabers, and they're taught that they must find their own unique relationship with the Force (as shown in Age of the Republic: Obi Wan).
They also don't look down or slander other force practitioners or faiths, as we see when they praise the Guardians of the Whills and how they left the Nightsisters alone (even though they were dark side practitioners). We also see Barriss praying in front of a statue (presumably a deity) openly, so it's obvious they didn't forbid Jedi from practicing other faiths..
The reason they were disdainful of the Sith is because the Sith bent the Force to their will and used their abilities to dominate and murder other beings.
The Jedi are allowed to leave the Order, they kept their lightsabers and allowed to visit the Temple (we see this with Dooku in Jedi: Lost, and Tales of the Jedi). They spoke warmly of Dooku after he left.
They do not command unquestionable obedience or the lead of a single leader, like a cult would, they're lead by a Council, one that's repeatedly challenged and shifted.
Even Yoda is questioned at times, and they aren't afraid to do so:
Ki-Adi: We have to consider that this may be a deception by the Sith. Obi-Wan: Surely you are not suggesting Master Yoda is susceptible to such manipulation? Mace: Master Yoda, you are older and wiser than any living Jedi, but this does not mean you are beyond the corruption of the dark side. Yoda: Agree I do.
In Master & Apprentice, Qui Gon is offered a seat on the Council because of his dissenting opinions.
“We hope it will also be our gain,” Mace replied. “Qui-Gon Jinn, we hereby offer you a seat on the Jedi Council.”
“I admit—you’ve surprised me,” Qui-Gon finally said.
“I imagine so,” Mace said drily. “A few years ago, we would’ve been astonished to learn we would ever consider this. But in the time since, we’ve all changed. We’ve grown. Which means the possibilities have changed as well.”
“You’ve argued with my methods often as not, or perhaps you’d say I’ve argued with yours.”
“Truth, this is,” Yoda said.
Depa Billaba gave Yoda a look Qui-Gon couldn’t interpret. “It’s also true that the Jedi Council needs more perspectives.”
Asking questions is encouraged, as we see when Obi Wan praises Anakin's questioning as a Padawan, Depa praising Kanan's questioning nature, and Yoda basically outright telling Ezra during Rebels that he should question things.
The reason they closed off Sith artifacts to everyone but Jedi Masters is because they can corrupt Jedi upon touch-this has happened on multiple occasions, like in the case of Ady Sun'Zee, or Dooku. Only the most experienced Masters are able to resist and handle these objects without falling prey to them and possibly raging out and murdering people (like what happened to Sun'Zee).
The Jedi the War, and the Clone Army:
I think the circumstances surrounding how the Jedi came to fight in the war is largely ignored in fandom.
People just latch onto Mace telling Palpatine that the Jedi weren't soldiers, and then claim it's hypocritical because they fight later. However, this ignores the circumstances—Mace was right, the Jedi couldn't be an army on their own. There simply wasn't enough of them.
When the clone army was discovered, they could be in the GAR becaue they were supported by numbers.
And they never wanted to be involved in the war in the first place. George Lucas explicitly says they were drafted:
"A lot of people say, “What good is a lightsaber against a tank?” The Jedi weren’t meant to fight wars. That’s the big issue in the prequels. They got drafted into service, which is exactly what Palpatine wanted."
An Oral History of Star Wars: Episode I, 2019
"That they could so callously brandish a clone army—“slaves bred for war,” as Separatist propaganda proclaimed—did not speak well to their character, though few among the Separatists knew that the Jedi were given no choice in the matter.”
Propaganda, by Pablo Hidalgo
The Jedi didn't try dodging the draft because of the atrocities the CIS were commiting (enslaving, starving, killing, and forcing labor on entire populations & testing weapons and experimenting on them. And creating medical bioweapons). They couldn't stand by and watch as innocent people were murdered en masse and do nothing.
Also, it's not like they could really refuse the Senate, you forget the Senate funded them, their temple, their very way of life. They couldn't exactly just say no and be done with it. It's more likely they would've been branded as cowardly traitors, and Palpatine would've taken the opportunity to start Order 66.
They couldn't just leave, either. Where would they go? How would they evacuate quick enough—before Palpatine'd catch wind of it and have them all imprisoned or killed?
The Jedi had no political sway, either: one of the grievances Dooku had with the Republic was the lack of political sway the Jedi actually had within the Senate—he tries to reason with Senators in Jedi:Lost and gets brushed off. In TCW, we consistently see the Jedi being disrespected and dismissed by politicians.
Another example, the Zillo Beast episodes. Mace was against bringing the Zillo Beast to Coruscant, as it could pose a danger to the people there (and it did), but Palpatine just brushes his concerns away—and Mace could do nothing about it. He had no way of opposing the decision. After Boba's arrest, he tries to get the Senate to not send Boba to jail, opting for rehabilitation instead, but the Senate brushes him off and tries him as an adult for his attack on the Republic cruiser.
“A recommendation from General Windu suggested leniency and rehabilitation as opposed to corporal punishment, a request that ultimately fell on deaf ears in the Judiciary, who cited zero tolerance to attacks against military assets in this time of war.”
"This is one of the more boldly revealing scenes in terms of what is happening on the political front and the movement of Palpatine to total control and authority over everybody, which is leading toward the evolution of the Empire and the evolution of the Emperor. This crisis has been created and the only solution is to give him more power. And Jar Jar becomes the dupe making that proposal that allows him to have that power. And even the Jedi are there. But the Jedi aren't really allowed to be involved in the political process. They're there, but they can't suddenly step up and say, "No, no. You can't do that." They have to let the political process go."
- George Lucas, Attack of the Clones, Commentary Track 2, 2002
He also says that "everyone would've died" if the Jedi hadn't fought in the war:
"GEORGE LUCAS: It's a tough call. It's one of the conundrums of which there's a bunch of in my movies. You have to think it through. Are they going to stick with their moral rules and all be killed, which makes it irrelevant, or do they help save the Republic?"
Yes, they compromised their morals by fighting, but what other choice was there? They were stuck between two bad choices, and they continuously chose the ones that allowed them to save the most people.
The Jedi and the Clones:
The Jedi are shown to be compassionate and caring towards the clones. In fact, Mace Windu is the Jedi who we see save clones the most, whereas Anakin sacrifices an entire squad of them to save R2, and jokes with him later. Ki Adi Mundi says "I wish I could say the same thing for most of my men" when Obi Wan tells him he's glad his wounds have healed, Yoda asserts his belief in the clones' individuality in the very first episode of TCW, and Plo Koon tells them they aren't expendable. Every Jedi we've seen that hadn't fallen treated the clones as people. They were the ones who inspired the clones to take names for themselves and decorate their armor.
Pong Krell is said to be an exception by Fives himself:
"He's not acting like the other Jedi. He has no respect for us." (S0409)
Now, you might ask "then why didn't they try harder to fight for clone rights?"
Because, as I've already established, they had no political power. Even Padme, a Senator with actual political power, could barely convince the Senate to do anything, oftentimes. And they didn't own the clones, they were owned by the Republic.
The most they could really do was send Shaak Ti to Kamino, where she could ensure the clones were being treated humanely.
And it's not like they could just whisk the clones away, because as I've said already, they couldn't even leave Coruscant themselves, much less with an add-on of millions of people. Indoctrinated people who wouldn't even go with the Jedi in the first place, because of their determination to fight for the Republic.
About the "the Jedi committed war crimes!" thing...the Jedi or the Republic obviously don't follow the same rules of warfare as we do in the real world. Why would they? We only know of two canonical war crimes in Star Wars: not blindfolding someone before their execution, and forced labor of POWs.
The Jedi did Not Fail Anakin, and Why He Actually Fell:
"Sometimes it’s ambition, but sometimes, like in the case of Anakin, it was fear of losing his wife. He knew she was going to die. He didn’t quite know how, so he was able to make a pact with a devil that if he could learn how to keep people from dying, he would help the Emperor. And he became a Sith Lord. Once he started saying, “Well, we could take over the galaxy, I could take over from the Emperor, I could have ultimate power,” Padmé saw right through him immediately. She said, “You’re not the person I married. You’re a greedy person.” So that’s ultimately how he fell and he went to the dark side."
-George Lucas
As you've undoubtedly seen, George Lucas does not blame anyone for Anakin's fall but Anakin himself (and Palpatine):
"He turns into Darth Vader because he gets attached to things. He can't let go of his mother, he can't let go of his girlfriend. He can't let go of things. It makes him greedy. And when you are greedy, you are on the path to the Darkside, because you fear you're going to lose things, that you're not going to have the power you need."
"The thing about Anakin is, he started out as a nice kid. He was kind, and sweet, and lovely, and he was then trained as a Jedi. But the Jedi can't be selfish. They can love but they can't love people to the point of possession. You can't really possess people, because people are free. It's possession that causes a lot of trouble, and that causes people to kill people, and causes people to be bad. Ultimately it has to do with being unwilling to give things up."
“The message [of Attack of the Clones] is you can’t possess things. You can’t hold on to them. You have to accept change. You have to accept the fact that things transition. And so, as you try to hold on to things or you become afraid of – that you’re going to lose things, then you begin to crave the power to control those things. And then, you start to become greedy and then you turn into a bad person.” “The scene in the garage here, we begin to see that what [Anakin]’s really upset about is the fact that he’s not powerful enough. That if he had more power, he could’ve kept his mother. He could’ve saved her and she could’ve been in his life. That relationship could’ve stayed there if he’d have been just powerful enough. He’s greedy in that he wants to keep his mother around, he’s greedy in that he wants to become more powerful in order to control things in order to keep the things around that he wants. There’s a lot of connections here with the beginning of him sliding into the dark side."
"Some of the people had a hard time with the reason that Anakin goes bad. Somebody asked whether somebody could kill Anakin’s best friend, so that they really gets angry. They wanted a real betrayal, such as, “You tried to kill me so now I’m going to try and kill you.” They didn’t seem to understand the fact that Anakin is simply greedy. There is no revenge. The revenge of the Sith is Palpatine. It doesn’t have much to do with Darth Vader; he’s a pawn in the whole scheme…“ -George Lucas, The Making of Revenge of the Sith (page 188)
And you may say "but Obi Wan said he failed Anakin!"
If a fictional character thinks something, it doesn’t automatically mean they’re right. Obi Wan raised Anakin, so like any parent would, he naturally felt responsible for how Anakin turned out.
Many things about Obi Wan's character arc and his relationship with Anakin were changed as Lucas developed their characters, and while Lucas originally planned for Anakin to fall due to Obi Wan's faults as a mentor, that was ultimately retconned in favor of staying in line with the themes of the prequels and Star Wars as a whole: choice.
Yes, Palpatine's own plans and manipulation definitely played a part in his fall, but Anakin fell largely due to his own actions.
"But the Jedi didn't trust Anakin!"
Now, I think people tend to take Mace Windu saying he didn't trust Anakin sorely out of context: he says it when he, Obi Wan, and Yoda are discussing the assignment they sent him on (spying on Palpatine), after Obi Wan informs the others that Anakin didn't want to do it. And Mace, Obi Wan, and Yoda were well aware of Anakin and Palpatine's friendship, and Anakin was well known for being about as subtle as a bulldozer.
Mace saves Anakin's life, in 02x20 of TCW, he Force-pulls Anakin away from a bomb planted in a replica of Jango's helmet. They're shown to be on amicable terms with each other, they even share friendly banter at times.
Yoda's advice in ROTS was generalized, as Anakin's answers to his questions were generalized. He refused to elaborate on who he was seeing the visions of. If he had, the advice would've undoubtedly been more catered to him more specifically. And Yoda was encouraging him to not mourn people who hadn't even died yet. He was acting as if Padme's fate was practically sealed, when the future is always changing and there was no guarantee she'd even die, which is why Yoda advised him to let go, rather than stay afraid and attached to that possiblity (which is dangerous for Jedi).
When Ahsoka told the Jedi about her visions of Padme dying, they helped thwart the assassination attempt, so perhaps if Anakin had just elaborated on what he was saying, he wouldn't have gotten such an unsatisfactory answer (in his point of view).
He isn't punished for disobeying orders, he isn't even reprimanded by Mace when he dodged his calls for hours.
He wasn't ready to be a Master, either. Being a Jedi Master requires Mastery of Self, something Anakin clearly didn't possess—he displayed that right after they denied him the rank of Master. Yes, he contributed a lot to the war effort. But that doesn't mean he deserved a role he clearly wasn't suited for.
Palpatine was overstepping, he forced the Council to accept a new member they didn't even choose—his own representative, so obviously the Jedi wouldn't be too happy with this, given how much of their freedoms had already been stripped away by the Senate and Palpatine (who had dictatorial powers).
Why the Jedi didn't Sense Palpatine being the Sith Lord
"It's not that they can't see the Dark Side coming, it's just that the Dark Side begins to envelop everything. It's like walking into a fog. The Jedi's ability to see lessens as the Dark Side grows."
- George Lucas, Starlog Magazine #300, 2002
The Jedi not being able to sense that Palpatine was the Sith Lord they were looking for was not because they had fallen from the light, it was because the dark side clouds everything.
The Jedi Were Right to Arrest Palpatine
"Mace was going to do the right thing by arresting him, but after Palpatine does the lightning, he changes his mind." - George Lucas, The Making of Revenge of The Sith
A common criticism I see when it comes to the Jedi deciding to arrest Palpatine is the accusation that they had no evidence, or that they couldn't arrest him on the sole basis of him being a Sith Lord.
This is untrue, given that Anakin was a Jedi General of the GAR reporting on a classified assignment that they sent him on. He definitely had the authority to make such claims.
Being a Sith was actually illegal in the Republic, as just translating their language was outlawed
They were arresting him because as the Sith they'd been looking for, he'd been orchestrating the war on both sides—and he had full control of the Senate and the courts. That's treason, treason that he
openly admitted to commiting (to a General of the GAR). That'd get him investigated for treason, money laundering, embezzlement, conspiracy, bribery, and murder.
The Jedi had to move quickly because they had no choice but to do so. Palpatine was on the verge of ordering Order 66, and Mace and the rest of the Jedi knew that as the Sith Lord that orchestrated the war, he was planning to destroy the Order, and now that he knew that they knew he was Sith, he'd be putting his plans in motion that very moment.
Mace tried killing him because he just witnessed Palpatine murder several other Jedi Masters and fire lightning out of his hands. He knew Palpatine was still incredibly dangerous, even though he was "unarmed"—he still had mastery over the dark side and force lightning, despite not possessing a lightsaber, AND Palpatine at that point had complete control of the Senate and the courts. There was no way he'd actually be prosecuted, and there was no way Palpatine would let himself be arrested. There was no ideal way out of this situation, and so he did the best he could—attempting to kill Palpatine.
Anakin did not betray Mace Windu out of some moral obligation to the Code; as he executes an unarmed Dooku earlier in the movie. He betrayed Mace because he thought he needed Palpatine in order to save Padme.
Anakin is shown to understand Jedi philosophy: he teaches Ahsoka occasionally and even gives Rex your typical Jedi advice. As I said earlier, the problem was that he was unable to apply them to himself.
The Jedi & Slavery in the Galaxy:
The Jedi Order does actually uphold the anti-slavery laws in the Republic. They have no jurisdiction outside of the it.
The Zygerrians curse the Jedi for effectively ending their slave empire because they tried operating in the Republic.
They didn't have the manpower to end slavery beyond the Republic, they didn't have the resources, and they'd need Senate backing (and we know the Senate wouldn't give them backing). They'd also need to effectively take control and govern the planets practicing slavery.
And they did try, at least, when it came to it, we know Quinlan Vos was undercover on Tattooine at the time of TPM—he could've very well been trying to help the slaves there.
Qui Gon couldn't free the slaves on Tattooine because it could spark an all-out war between the Hutts and the Republic. So he abided by the rules of Tattooine and was able to free Anakin.
About the Jedi's supposed arrogance:
"We contrast [the previous scene where Palpatine boosts Anakin’s ego] with the three Jedi and show Obi-Wan's concern about the fact that his apprentice is getting ahead of himself, and he's arrogant. And Obi-Wan is kinda put down a little bit by Yoda, there, 'cause Yoda says that that arrogance exists in the older Jedi too, which is a way of warning Obi-Wan that he may be suffering the same hubris."
-George Lucas, AOTC's second commentary
Yoda was warning Obi Wan to watch himself, lest he fall into the same arrogance he was accusing Anakin of.
Ahsoka's Trial:
Ahsoka was seen running away with a Separatist agent after she was charged and the evidence against her was hefty—or at least that's what it looked like in-universe, we don't really know how the legal system works in the Republic or how much evidence is needed to prosecute a person.
The Jedi also had no choice but to give her up for trial; if they stuck to their guns and decided to keep her in the Temple, the Senate might take it as direct opposition (which Mace Windu points out—he didn't want the Jedi to hand Ahsoka to the Senate in the first place). Which would be horrible, as their entire livelihoods rely on the Republic and their support was crucial to the war effort.
The public would also take it badly; they'd think Ahsoka was being sheltered by the Jedi and protected, despite her charges.
There was also the matter of jurisdiction—legally, the Republic did have the right to prosecute, since clones and non-jedi citizens were killed in the bombing, despite it being in Temple grounds.
When it was all over, the Jedi welcomed Ahsoka back into the Order and apologized—Plo apologized on behalf of the Council "you have OUR most humble apologies Ahsoka," no one contradicts him. That's how the Council operates, one person communicates a previously discussed topic. It would be redundant and a waste of screentime if all the Council members stood in a line and apologized one by one, when Plo already apologized on their behalf. When Mace Windu tells her that this was her great trial, he's complimenting her perseverance in the face of great hardship—he means well.
What Balance Really Means in Star Wars:
"The Force has two sides - [Light and Dark]. It is not an inherently malevolent or a benevolent thing. It has a bad side to it, involving hate and fear, and it has a good side, involving love, charity, fairness and hope."
-George Lucas, Time Magazine, 1980
"What happens when you go to the dark side is it goes out of balance and you get really selfish and you forget about everybody ... because when you get selfish you get stuff, or you want stuff, and when you want stuff and you get stuff then you are afraid somebody is going to take it away from you ... once you become afraid that somebody's going to take it away from you or you're gonna lose it, then you start to become angry, especially if you're losing it, and that anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering."
-George Lucas, 2010
"The Darkside is always there, it is experienced daily by people. It's like a huge cancer, alive, festering -both a reminder of the moral state and, at the same time symptom and symbol of a very sick society" George Lucas, "The Mythology of Star Wars", Joseph Campell & the Power of Myth DVD
"The secret, ultimately, which is the bottom line in Star Wars [ANH] and the other movies is there are two kinds of people in the world, compassionate people and selfish people. The selfish people live on the Darkside. The compassionate people live on the Lightside.
"If you go to the side of the Light you will be happy because of compassion, helping other people, not thinking about yourself, thinking about others, that gives you a joy that you can't get any other way.
Being selfish, following your pleasures, always entertaining yourself with pleasure, and buying stuff and doing stuff, you're always going to be unhappy. You'll never get to the point. You'll get this little shot of pleasure but it goes away and than you're stuck where you were before and the more you do it, the worse it gets. You finally get everything you want and you're miserable because there's nothing at the end of that road.
Whereas if you are compassionate and you get to the end of the road you've helped so many people."
-George Lucas
"People have a tendency to confuse it — everybody has the Force. Everybody. You have the good side and you have the bad side. And as Yoda says, if you choose the bad side, it’s easy because you don’t have to do anything. Maybe kill a few people, cheat, lie, steal. Lord it over everybody. But the good side is hard because you have to be compassionate. You have to give of yourself. Whereas the dark side is selfish." George Lucas, 2019
"The key part of this scene is Anakin saying, 'I'm not going to let this happen again.' We're cementing his determination to become the most powerful Jedi, and the only way you can really do that is to go to the Dark side because the Dark side is more powerful. *If you want the ultimate power you really have to go to the stronger side, which is the Dark side, but ultimately it'll be your undoing. But it's that need for power and that need for power in order to satisfy your greed to keep things and to not let go of things and allow the natural course of life to go on -- which is that things come and go -- and to be able to accept the change around you and not want to keep moments frozen forever in time."
-George Lucas, AotC DVD commentary track
"The whole basis here is if you’re selfish, if you’re a Sith Lord, you’re greedy. You’re constantly trying to get something. And you’re constantly in fear of not getting it, or, when you get it, you’re in constant fear of losing it. And it’s that fear that takes you to the dark side. It’s that fear of losing what you have or want.”
-George Lucas
“They [the Jedi] are the most moral of anybody in the galaxy. They're monks. The Sith practice the dark side and are way of of balance. The Jedi aren't as much out of balance because they're the light side of the Force. They still have the bad side of the Force in them, but they keep it in check." George Lucas
“Sith rely on their passion to get things done. They use their raw emotion, their hatred, their anger, their bitterness - which is the dark side of the Force. The Force is what binds the galaxy together, and it has a good side and a bad side.
The Sith learned how to manipulate both sides of the Force, and then they fell into the trap of being corrupted by the dark side.
The Jedi Knights are like marshals in the Wild West. It's their job to make sure everyone is protected, to bring peace. They are the enemy of the Sith, because the Sith want to dominate the galaxy, to control everything, and for a thousand years they have had a plot against the Jedi.
So, in this movie, it is time for them to seek revenge against the Jedi for perceived injustices and to carry out that plot. "
-George Lucas, Sci-Fi Online interview, 2005
"The film is ultimately about the dark side and the light side, and those sides are designed around compassion and greed. The issue of greed, of getting things and owning things and having things and not being able to let go of things, is the opposite of compassion - of not thinking of yourself all the time. These are the two sides - the good force and the bad force. They're the simplest parts of a complex cosmic construction." George Lucas, Time interview Bill Moyers 03/05/99
“Most Jedi have felt the temptation of the dark side. It is only natural. But we resist it. It is a deliberate path to the dark, not a series of bad days. Being a Jedi is about choosing the light over and over again."―Jedi Master Sskeer.
Balance is the Light side. It's not Jedi deciding to use both at once, because they'd always fall to it eventually, like Quinlan Vos or Anakin. Balance is keeping the dark side within you in control, whilst choosing to stay firmly in the Light. This is shown pretty clearly in the Yoda voyage arc, when he decides to accept the dark side within himself, but doesn't let it control him. This is a thing every Jedi goes through, like Cal Kestis accepting what happened to him.
Overall, I believe the Jedi were meant to be portrayed as good, and their "downfall" was meant to be tragic.
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